Quick links
- What would fewer rate cuts from the Fed, and other central banks, mean for liquidity portfolios in 2025?
- What is your outlook for the UK/eurozone liquidity market, versus the US?
- Can you explain how rates are determined for liquidity portfolios and how that differs from the way banks use administered rates?
- How can liquidity portfolios appeal to different types of investors?
- How can ESG be integrated into cash and liquidity management?
- How does our liquidity offering differ from peers?
What would fewer rate cuts from the Fed, and other central banks, mean for liquidity portfolios in 2025? How could an increase in inflation impact liquidity markets?
Let’s start with the new administration in the White House. Volatility seems to be the name of the game. I wanted to get your thoughts on the trajectory of rates in the US market and some potential impacts that we’ve seen since the start of Trump 2.0.
From a Trump administration perspective, fast and furious is what we’ve dealt with so far. I’m not sure if anything is hugely impactful for where we are from a monetary policy standpoint with regard to the Fed. Our expectation at this point is for one to two rate cuts by the end of this year, and probably the first one coming around May and a second one, if there is one that’s needed, not coming until the latter half of the year. So, that’s drastically changed from where we were after the September meeting when the Fed cut 50 basis points and even November and into December. That’s reflective of, I think, what has been termed as ‘sticky inflation’ and a resilient consumer from an employment perspective.
Now, from a Trump policy standpoint, I don’t know that either one of those things are drastically changed in this environment, the policies that his administration is looking to achieve. When you look at immigration, tariffs and potential regulatory changes, all of those to some degree, at least on an initial blush basis, are more inflationary. This brings the Fed’s job from an easing perspective to a much lower threshold. When you look at the other aspect of it from a consumer and an employment perspective, which has been the driving force of US GDP over the last several years, they continue to be pretty resilient from a standpoint of opportunities. So ultimately, we believe we are looking at higher rates for a longer period of time.
There’s some talk about potential for a hike down the road? Are we in that camp?
We are not in that camp at all. There’s a broad array of outlooks, and it goes from those that think there will be maybe one or two hikes by the end of the year, to those who are still contemplating three or four lowering of interest rates before the end of the year. We think both of those are extreme positions where we stand from a yield curve perspective, which is reflective of one to two rate cuts. The remaining portion of this year is where we’re also standing at this point, which is good because we’re actually seeing value in the marketplace based on that.
We could talk a little bit more about that positioning based on that view, and what you’ve done with the portfolios that that you’re managing.
We have looked to extend our weighted average maturities. There was a period at the end of the year where that was difficult to do, simply because liquidity in the marketplace is not always that great. At the end of the year, you have offerings being pulled back, and you have less availability from a liquidity standpoint than you necessarily do for the other 11.5 months of the year. If you look at our weighted average maturities over time, they drifted shorter during the December timeframe but have lengthened out in January – this is reflective of our positioning, based on the thinking that rates will stay higher for a little bit longer, that we will continue to have the opportunity to roll over positions that have four handles on them, and that we’re not going to three handles at any point in the near term. By keeping our weighted average maturities in the 85th to 90th percentile of where their maximum of 60 days is, it gives us the ability to maintain those higher yields within the portfolios for a longer period.
What is your outlook for the UK/eurozone liquidity market, versus the US?
We’ve seen incredible growth across the industry in the last few years. Do you expect that to continue at pace as we move through 2025? Are there divergent views based on geography? Is the US going to continue to attract more funds into money market funds versus the UK and Europe, where we might be on a faster easing cycle? How might that impact the demand for liquidity products?
I think demand will remain high and yes, there are definitely divergences from US dollars to sterling to euros but, ultimately, when you look at the dependency of data and what’s happening from an economic standpoint for each of those three currency regions, you probably see the US with the strongest expectation, the UK somewhere in the middle, and Europe on the lower end of expectations from a GDP standpoint. But none are going into a recession and none are suffering in the context of stagflation, at least not at this point in time. So, what we see today for all three currencies versus six months ago is, again, an outlook of higher rates for a longer period, which is reflective of where we see flows going. If you look at weighted average maturities of 40, 45, 50, 55 days within funds, that means the performance of those funds versus alternatives in the market – that would be our competitors, the direct securities in the marketplace, banks on a deposit basis. We have a yield advantage that I believe will be maintained in all three of those currencies.
For that reason, even though rates are still going down, they’re going down less quickly in all three currencies and are nowhere near that 0 to 1% bound that creates problems from an investor base standpoint.
Can you explain how rates are determined for liquidity portfolios and how that differs from the way banks use administered rates?
Perhaps you could talk about how rates for liquidity funds are determined and how that differs versus bank rates that you might see in the market?
It’s really the difference between a market rate and an administered rate. So, when you’re talking about a money market fund or a liquidity product, you’re talking about a simple weighted average of the market-based security rates that are in that portfolio to determine what the actual rate of the overall fund is. Going along with that, you have full disclosure of what the securities are that are held within those portfolios, the diversification, the credit quality, the weighted average maturity constraints, the ‘know your customer’ type of selections. So, there is full disclosure around how that rate is determined and what it’s comprised of, and you can look as a customer, if you’re interested, in what to expect given current market conditions and what you know to be rolling off from a maturity perspective within those funds.
Contrast that to an administered rate, which is what a bank provides, and it’s drastically different. An administered rate is one that will reflect the direction of interest rates. So, if the Fed is raising interest rates, generally they will go up with an administered rate. It’s with a lag, and it’s not with the same amount. So, when the Fed raised interest rates by 75 basis points back in 2022, banks perhaps raised interest rates by a fraction of that. That direction of travel was correct, but the speed and the velocity at which it occurred was not necessarily reflective of that. And, similarly, when you look at disclosures from a banking perspective, you don’t know what is behind that administered rate. It is not the same type of disclosure on a regular basis, nor does it have the same types of constraints that I mentioned that a risk mitigates in the context of a money fund. So, it’s a lagging rate in a declining rate environment with a weighted average maturity constraint of 60 days that really proves to be beneficial for underlying clients to continue to invest in the product. It is apples and oranges when you contemplate comparisons versus a bank deposit type of product.
How can liquidity portfolios appeal to different types of investors?
Across our global portfolios – in the US, UK, Europe, APAC – we have many different client types. This is part of the beauty of liquidity funds because everyone has cash, right? You look across the institutional space, the corporate space, the wealth channel, high-net-worth family offices – how have we played to those different client industries and sectors?
Diversification is key, and the ability to attract different types of clients within portfolios is very helpful. People tend to think of diversification across portfolio holdings, but I think there’s diversification with regard to client base as well, and that is helpful because oftentimes maybe somebody that needs, you know, daily liquidity on a two-plus-zero basis, has to redeem. But at the same time, somebody that is more on a T-plus-one basis or a T-plus-more basis, is staying in or even adding to their portfolios. So that allows for the portfolio team to focus only on net flows, not necessarily gross flows, gross purchases and gross redemptions. I think ultimately the vehicle of a money market fund was designed to allow professional management, daily liquidity at par, high-credit quality, minimal credit risk, and effectively lowest risk product out there in the context of it still being an investment and investment portfolio. So, it is comprised of market instruments. It’s comprised of a team approach to the process, from portfolio management to trading to credit analysis. Ultimately that produces something that I think across all of those bounds is something that individuals, as well as family offices and institutional customers, find appealing.
How can ESG be integrated into cash and liquidity management?
Another popular subject during your trips to London has been ESG, which is garnering a lot of headlines in the United States. I think it will be interesting, obviously, to see how that plays out with President Trump. It continues to be a very important consideration for European investors. Can you talk about our approach to ESG within liquidity? How are we using it day-to-day, and how is that funneling through to investor returns?
People always ask: this is a short-term portfolio, so how can ESG be factored into it? Which is true if you don’t rebuy those very similar short-term securities over and over again. So, although we have a constraint that allows us only to buy overnight, two-to-one-year securities, if I buy the same overnight security from the same issuer for the next 800 days, that’s a long-term exposure. Similarly, if we roll over one-month paper, over four-month paper, over six-month paper – and, ultimately, even though we make an investment decision every day on what we hold, what we buy, what we own, the consideration of ESG factors goes into that process on that every-day decision making.
When I look at how we manage portfolios, it’s in a team management fashion, and there are three types of key members to the team – portfolio managers, investment analysts and traders. The ESG aspect of our review comes through the investment analysts, so our analysts have historically looked at both quantitative and qualitative factors of the issuers that we are purchasing. When you think of the qualitative factors, they are oftentimes covering such core competencies of those firms as governance, social actions, depending upon what the industry or the issuer is doing, you focus more or less on some of those features. If that sounds familiar, it very much is what today is thought of as ESG information, ESG content. Much like we receive information from the rating agencies, we receive information from the companies themselves, we receive inputs from street side analysts. We have engagement and ESG inputs that are now part of our process that have fortified that qualitative analysis. So, I think it’s a process by which that aspect of our one-through-five ranking system, and how it’s impacted by various factors and features within those issuers, ultimately turns out.
The fact of the matter is that we are in a very high-quality, low-risk type of product, and most of issuers that we use have very high qualitative scores as well. But there are a few where that has not been the case, but it’s not like it’s a new, complete feature, and it does rest for the most part with our analysts.
How does our liquidity offering differ from peers?
You manage a very impressive franchise, but it is a crowded market. What do you think are the biggest differentiators that Federated Hermes brings to the table when managing liquidity?
I would focus on two key differentiators. The first would be our ‘team approach’ to management. It is not just the star portfolio manager who is making decisions daily in a vacuum, without input from the rest of the team members – the investment analysis and the credit side of the equation is just as important. The execution is extremely important, and the decision making from a strategy and structure approach is too. Those are made by three different members of our team management approach, portfolio managers, analysts and traders. That is not necessarily a model that’s followed by all of those that are in this sector of the market.
The second differentiator that I would also point to is our involvement from an industry perspective in how the product is designed to work, how it can be used by various types of clients, and the importance of the diversification of those clients. We have been in this business from the beginning, we have one of the first government-only type products in the marketplace. We have been involved from a rulemaking and from a regulatory perspective for the last five decades. I think that is important because we are looking for the efficacy of the business to enhance the attractiveness of the product. If you look over the decades when there were less stringent credit requirements, there were others in the industry that had credit problems, and from a maturity perspective there were those that had duration issues.
Ultimately, we’ve taken it upon ourselves as part of our job to make sure that not only are we providing the best product to our clients, but we are also making sure that the industry rules and regulations are helpful in making sure that that others are doing that same thing. So, I think it is our presence in the market, and a knowledge of the inner workings of the market and our involvement in making sure it’s shaped in the right way today and tomorrow for generations that will be using the product that differentiates our offering.
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